Do you consume oat drink, soy yoghurt, or other #vegan dairy alternatives?
EU parliament is attempting to ban any terms, marketing, or even appearance of vegan products that are associated to milk or dairy. This includes the terms "yoghurt" style, similar packaging in cartons or yoghurt cups, or even the comparison with milk's climate impact.
While this dairy-lobby-driven amendment is already through parliament, there's a petition to stop it in council. https://stopam171.com/
Some background on this: https://theconversation.com/vegan-dairy-products-face-eu-ban-from-using-milk-cartons-and-yoghurt-pots-and-uk-could-be-next-153564
Terms like "soy milk" or "almond yoghurt" are already banned, this regulation attempts to erase the thought from consumer's mind that anything else than dairy products can be used for similar purpose.
Consumers are not so dumb to mix up products clearly labelled as vegan plant-based stuff. Given the climate and animal welfare impact of dairy farming, this vile attempt shows dairy producers are not willing to give their customers free choice.
@schmittlauch tbh find ich "Zensur" in dem Kontext als viel passender/treffender als an so vielen anderen Stellen wo ich dne Begriff lese. Zensur hat immer eine staatliche Komponente dabei, oder zumindest die einer dominanten Gesellschaftsgruppe. Hier versucht der Staat (bzw. ein supranationales Staatengebilde) selbst objektive Vergleiche von Produkten (laut dem 1. Artikel) zu verbieten. Insofern lƤsst sich hier IMHO schon dieser Begriff verwenden.
@schmittlauch This is infuriating to me because I canāt have actual milk. Itās not that I choose oat milk because Iām deceived into it.
@Gargron The dairy industry would then probably tell you to use cow milk without lactose ā at least if your condition allows that >.<
While I assume that this amendment mostly hinders new customers from switching over to plant-based products because they'd be more obscure to discover, all the people voluntarily drinking that stuff make it more widely available for people actually relying on it like you are.
@schmittlauch @Gargron Note that lactose intolerance is not a condition in the same sense as an allergyāit's one of the normal, genotype variants (very widespread worldwide). It's more like labeling light skin "UV intolerance".
@dmbaturin @Gargron It is a deviation from what is considered normal in the region affected by the regulations, that's what I mean.
If my post can be read otherwise, I apologise for that and try to avoid it in the future.
@schmittlauch @Gargron Well, that's the thing. _Both_ are normal. People with lactose intolerance aren't ill or abnormal in any way. (In fact, lactose _tolerance_ is a deviation from the base genotype of mammalsāthe enzyme required to digest lactase normally stops being produced after infancy, but in some people that gene is "broken" and the enzyme persists life long. In other words, lactose-tolerant people are mutants ;)
@dmbaturin Yes I know. Normal == the statistical norm of people and what they are expected to be.
Society expects you to be able to digest milk as lactose products are served without any comment or question and requesting lactose-free or plant alternatives is considered as a deviation from the default.
That's no judgement of individuals, but of their role and experiences in the society affected by these regulations.
@schmittlauch @Gargron as if there's cow milk without lactose!
@Dashtop
There is. Its quite delicious semk-skimmed.
@schmittlauch @Gargron
@aladar @schmittlauch @Gargron well that's something!
@Dashtop
I believe they treat it with heat to break the lactpse down into sugars, but i cant tell you how exactly it works
@schmittlauch @Gargron
@Gargron @schmittlauch "Customer deception" is the dumbest argument. Even if this amendment passes, I can't believe that it will hold on a court of law.
Disclaimer 1: Yes, this campaign is supported by several large-ish vegan food companies. But as this is a battle between industry lobbies I see nothing wrong with this. Notice that "Alpro" is missing ā the brand is now owned by the huge dairy company "Danone".
Disclaimer 2: I find the term "censorship" used throughout the campaign a bit overblown. Nevertheless I support the main objective of the petition and just signed it.
āļø https://stopam171.com/